Silver Tongue, “team of people and there’s one girl” is literally...

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alewyren said: @endmylife69 tumblr replies are a poor medium for this kind of discussion, I’d be happy to move this to IMs if you’re at all interested in continuing in good faith, but tl;dr you raise some valid points about some things many people on this site take for granted, and I understand your frustration with modern feminism/social justice culture, but please be careful about whom you choose to paint with that brush.

alewyren said: @endmylife69 It’s an inflammatory comparison that distracts from the actual point you’re trying to make, and WILL alienate people who may otherwise agree with you. And if better communication doesn’t matter to you, if you think people who take issue with the term are just being too sensitive, then it’s not a matter of right or wrong–you’re just being rude for no reason.

alewyren said: @endmylife69 Also, I’d advise against using the term “feminzai.” Trust me, I get it. I, too, have enough issues with modern feminism that despite being a firmly progressive woman, I don’t call myself a feminist. But it’s in poor taste to compare even the whiniest of online idiots to nazis, when actual nazis are still active. I don’t say this as a matter of political correctness, but as a matter of pragmatism.

alewyren said: @endmylife69 That said, neither an arbitrary gender ratio nor the bechdel test are metrics of how “sexist” media is. They mean *something,* but not that. What the bechdel test does measure is the focus given to relationships *between women.* It was coined by a lesbian comic author jokingly commenting from the perspective of lesbianism, it’s not that deep. It’s relevant to the subject of how women are written, but only as like… that very specific subcategory.

alewyren said: @endmylife69 not sure if you’re speaking to OP of me (since you responded to the post on my blog, I got the notif), but here’s my two cents: There’s nothing wrong with a group of boys that only has one girl–hell, I’m a STEM major with a lot of “masculine” hobbies. I am often that one girl. But the way it’s written often comes off as othering (as if “male” is the default), if not outright tokenism. Which is hard to quantify, but happens enough to feel alienating.

endmylife69 said: @dollsted Someone’s either jealous or a prude.

endmylife69 said: Nice way to slut shame other women. I thought you feminazis were supposed to be against that.

endmylife69 said: @rho-fawx No, it really isn’t. That’s basically making the girl a Mary Sue. How is that ok?! So it’s suddenly ok for MALE characters to be useless and incompetent? Do you know how hypocritical you sound?

endmylife69 said: @jonvoll Don’t talk crap about Princess Leia. She is more than the just “the girl” of the group.

endmylife69 said: @mapleglowsticks That sounds like the most shallow and stupid relationship writing I have ever heard. You can’t date somebody you just met.

endmylife69 said: @thnks-fr-th-feels If you want female characters to get along and support each other just for having vaginas, then that’s pretty shallow and no better than making them hate each other over a guy. Not all women have to like each other OR hate each other.

endmylife69 said: @the-rnoon That stupid test shouldn’t exist. Why do you bitchy tumblerinsas love it so much? It’s irrelevant to story and plot writing and doesn’t effect the quality of a fiction. Bechdel Test? More like BITCHdel Test!

endmylife69 said: These are all really petty things to be bitching about. What do you bitches have against the “one girl” trope? What is so wrong and immoral about a female character having brothers or other male relatives? Girls get jealous of each and fight over guys all the time. Not all girls have to like each other.