cynicaldom said:
@cherishedproperty You’ve blocked me. I do have a deep respect for you, which is why I do believe you will read this eventually. You still feel in your bones I am wrong. Anytime you are ready to provide a response to the point I raised two times, that you ignored two times, I am ready to hear it.
cynicaldom said:
@cherishedproperty I will always judge someone’s class. It’s not the same as a personal judgement. I find it to be a grace. I have had views I’ve evolved from in the past that I held due to my class, and even from my gender and race. I think this is completely separate from judging a person, which to me implies to something that always rounds up to totality of the person. I did not intend that.
cynicaldom said:
@cherishedproperty Dammit, hit enter too soon sorry don’t judge that without seeing the rest
cynicaldom said:
@cherishedproperty I will always judge someone
cherishedproperty said:
@cynicaldom I come from a poor, blue collar, working class family. I have experience food and housing insecurity. I have been unable to afford healthcare through large chunks of my life. While I have worked my ass off to get to the “professional managerial class” that I am in today, it’s only through MASSIVE amounts of student loan debt and sacrifice. Which I have paid dearly for. So don’t judge my identity and class when you don’t know a goddamn thing about the life I come from.
cynicaldom said:
@cherishedproperty Again: if this bill of TRUMP’s failed, it would lead to bigger change than if it passed. By definition, this is not sabotaging change as you said. You have ignored this once already. I do not like that I upset you. I also think, like everyone on the left, that identity & class intersect with intent to inform our ideas, especially when those ideas that incorrect.
cherishedproperty said:
I didn’t say anything aggressive about Bernie. I said something Bernie himself would agree with. But your response was explicitly directly at me. As a person. Which is upsetting.
cynicaldom said:
@cherishedproperty that last reply had wonky formatting. I meant to say: You came here to say something aggressive about Bernie. I respect you as well. I do not respect the ad hominem fallacy.
cynicaldom said:
@cherishedproperty You came here to say something aggressive about Bernie that I respect you as well. I do not respect the ad hominem fallacy.
cynicaldom said:
@cherishedproperty vice president kamala harris voted against that bill lol
cynicaldom said:
@cherishedproperty you have sent me a link where Bernie voted against president Trump’s bill that would still outsource jobs. If it failed, labor would benefit. And he wasn’t a deciding vote.
cherishedproperty said:
Though it really feels shitty for you to attack me for being the “professional managerial class.” Ad hominem attacks are really disappointing coming from someone I respect.
cherishedproperty said:
Listen, I agree with 95% of what Bernie wants. But his tactics aren’t likely to lead to real change. His strength though is in inspiring people to dream bigger than a 2% improvement. That’s important.
cynicaldom said:
@cherishedproperty Most of the professional managerial class have these exact same opinions… must just be a coincidence. All we can do is agree to disagree.
cynicaldom said:
@cherishedproperty It is odd that a man who had to be publicly shamed into respecting young women’s physical boundaries just 2 years ago is considered moral. And using an absolutely basic negotiating technique (asking for more than you could possibly get to move the middle ground towards you) will get you labeled as a change saboteur, despite easily accessible evidence proving that incorrect.
cynicaldom said:
@cherishedproperty Do you have a source for “Meanwhile Bernie will tank something that is an incremental improvement”? Even a single example would do.
cherishedproperty said:
I think he’d say his beliefs are irrelevant if they can’t be passed. Meanwhile Bernie will tank something that is an incremental improvement because it doesn’t align with his values. I don’t think that’s exactly wrong either, because those principles have to be seen to give people the courage to act on them. But there needs to be a balance between principles and pragmatism. I think that balance is the only reason we are seeing positive change now.
cherishedproperty said:
@cynicaldom I don’t think he’s amoral. I do think he’s a pragmatist, and some would argue those things are the same. But he won’t go after things unless he knows they can happen. The more he has the Congress to actually pass things, the more progressive he will be. But his progressive agenda ends as soon as he knows someone like Joe Manchin won’t vote for it. For that reason, I’d argue we don’t actually know what Biden believes. I think he’d say his beliefs are irrelevant if they can’t be…
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cherishedproperty said:
@cynicaldom I come from a poor, blue collar, working class family. I have experience food and housing insecurity. I have been unable to afford healthcare through large chunks of my life. While I have worked my ass off to get to the “professional managerial class” that I am in today, it’s only through MASSIVE amounts of student loan debt and sacrifice. Which I have paid dearly for. So don’t judge my identity and class when you don’t know a goddamn thing about the life I come from. 
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