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askfallenroyalty said: we’re not having this conversation in my replies pls, i talked with mrfandomgage on pm and we went over this topic. sadly i can’t delete our past convo but this has been mostly been resolved in private. (or at least put on hold, things are fine now tho) from now on if anyone wants to approach this topic please just pm me so something like this doesn’t happen again, thnx everyone

mrfandomgage said: @xxaeris you misinterpreted what I said, but I understand I sound convoluted and twisted, let me explain, I was saying that they them was used as a general pronoun long before non binary, but I can be wrong in what I know, I don’t know everything and honestly I don’t mind people being non binary, I may just lack understanding, I’m willing to talk about it

xxaeris said: “they/them was only used for nonbinary people in the 2000s!!!!!” a. wrong, b. undertale was released 2015, well afte you say they/them pronouns were “”“claimed”“” by nonbinary people. just say you hate enbies and go @mrfandomgage

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mrfandomgage said: Can you text me in PMs to make it easier to argue with me?

askfallenroyalty said: and say that frisk’s pronouns are up for grabs is baffling to me. it’s not right, i don’t stand by it. it’s extremely hurtful to misgender someone even if it’s fiction, it’s important to pay attention or at least research a character before gendering them, that goes for all characters in general regardless. i never have to debate someone over telling someone not to misgender papyrus as “she” now do i? his design is gender neutral -a skeleton after all. but we all know

mrfandomgage said: They/Them was only recently decided to be used for transgender people somewhere in the 2000s, but it’s been used as a singular longer before that. That’s why I say “it’s better fit for undetermined” because that’s how it was used, for people who were undetermined. There is no explicit gender or sex based on they/them, so it is a general and safe term. That’s how I view it, and it’s ok if you don’t see it the same way but with how I speak I use they them for really anyone

askfallenroyalty said: while the they/them pronoun can be used to be ambigous, it’s clearly not the case for undertale. monster kid, napstablook, mad dummy (before becoming mad mew mew, MTT also used they/them before becoming MTT) used they/them and most NPCS are not gendered when unnecessary. if toby didn’t want to define any pronouns, he wouldn’t have used they/them then. frisk’s name reveal is significant to the meta narrative and the game’s story, to ignore the context of that reveal (½)

askfallenroyalty said: i know this game better than you, no offense. i’ve been in this fandom for 5 years and went through this discourse plenty of times. that tweet you’re refering to was by a impersonator. if you google the original tweet, you’ll find it’s actually fvvugradiation and not the right name/account.

mrfandomgage said: I am sorry, I really am and I don’t mean to upset you, this is only what I personally know and believe

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mrfandomgage said: Personally I enjoy the idea that Chara and Frisk are interchangeable and fluid depending on person to person. Please don’t hate me

mrfandomgage said: Well, in the game I never saw “they them” as a term used for them, and if I missed something or just need another look, well I need another look, but again, Frisk and Chara are still undetermined, mostly because the words “they them” can be used for anyone and is a better fit for anyone with undisclosed gender. Toby Fox himself called Frisk a boy in a post where they were hugging Asriel. I don’t really mind how you drive your ideas and personal beliefs is purely fine

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askfallenroyalty said: they/them is not a fill in the box pronoun. please stop misgendering them, thank you

askfallenroyalty said: do a reprint of the artbook when napstablook is misgendered. after the book came out, he caught the mistake and fixed it and reprinted the book

askfallenroyalty said: @mrfandomgage they are both consistently given they/them pronouns in game. asriel talks about chara in “they/them” terms in the epilogue frisk is named and given an identity as a person separate from the player in the end of the pacifist route and is still given the they/them pronoun. they/them is a pronoun respected by the Merriam-Webster dictionary. toby gives npc characters this pronoun too, even going so far as to… (½)

mrfandomgage said: It is up to head canon to determine the gender, but using They Them can be used for any general person of undisclosed gender/sex as a one person pronoun. Using they them is safe on general terms.

mrfandomgage said: False! In the Game they are always addressed as a general noun that can be given to anyone (kid, child, human) and if not the Children are addressed by name, never pronouns