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rethinking about Doc Oc’s villainy reveal in Spiderverse again

it wasn’t just the fact that she was gender-swapped that made her reveal so surprising, but her whole vibe made her villainy reveal so much more shocking because the combination of her wrinkles, her crows feet, her soft smile, her wacky hair, her huge nerdy glasses, and her general appearance as a punk Ms Frizzle remix, it was all the more extraordinary that this well established spiderveser villain didn’t immediately look like a villain, and yet when she revealed her identity it was so obvious, completely subverting our standards for what ‘villainy’ is, so when the tentacles came out of this kind-looking lesbotic sex symbol, we all just went

they got us. the art and design team played us like a violin in a Niccolò Paganini’s Violin Concerto No. 2 in B Minor and we ain’t even mad

#nothing beats the moment of ‘and i for one cant wait to watch’#i had picked up that she was Not A Good Guy but it came across as more#science nerd more into the science than human consequence#but that line suddenly flipped it to someone who knows the consequence#and she fuckin loves it#GOD WHAT A GOOD CHARACTER (via @linddzz)

Doc Ock’s reveal was the best villain reveal ever since Toy Story 2′s Stinky Pete

I also love the strong implication (though never outright stated) that Doc Ock and Aunt May have some kind of history together, just like so many good villains in a rogues gallery have some kind of tie to their nemesis.

Peter: “Let me guess, your friends call you Doc Ock?”

Doc Ock: “My friends call me Liv. My enemies call me Doc Ock.”

Later, when Doc Ock smashes through the door of the Parker house:

May: “Oh, great. It’s Liv.”

I loved the shit out of that because it’s revealed in the basement lair that May is a genius engineer herself and helped RIPeter design his gear, including the suits and the webshooters.

They were probably colleagues, you guys.

Oh my god, they were colleagues.

They were absolutely more than colleagues– maybe they started out as colleagues, or maybe May learned a lot of those engineering skills from Liv– but they were ultimately lovers. Doc Ock and Aunt May have a romantic history in the comics (they almost got married), and that moment in the film was undoubtedly a nod to that romantic history.

They

WHAT

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The artist is M Lee Lunsford

also not to detract from the potential romantic relationship between liv and may but i wanna point out another aspect of livs villainy that i dont see mentioned.

She knew that people from other universes would essentially be ripped apart atom by atom very painfully AND STILL was going to bring back fisks family. She KNEW that fisk would watch his family be torn from him once again if the collider worked and still went with it. She is the absolute most evil character in the film and she is the best.