some doodles of Sorren - my take on the Purple Soul human child! I imagine them being the first kid to fall down since Asgore’s decree (for personal canon/story reasons).
I really wanna write about their journey and meeting Asgore.
* It makes a joke about spaghetti. It hates its own joke. * It tidies up the place, then immediately scatters everything again. * Its eyes flicker as it wraps its arms around itself. * It works very hard at giving up.
I really hate when people make Undertale edits and then claim that they’re hidden things in the game. Just please own up and say you did a thing instead of spreading misinformation for all the gullible people like myself?
I guess youre talking about the fake grillby fight?
That, as well as the “patch that some people got to test” that if you put in your computer’s date as October 31st, it would change several things in the game to be Halloween-themed.
Like don’t get me wrong, that was cool, especially the Halloween one, but oh man I just ate out of that person’s hand all believing in it and waiting for the patch until someone kindly told me it was faked.
There’s another one, too, that I can’t tell if it’s real or fake, but because I feel so lied to about the other thing, and I don’t have the time to do a pacifist run right now, I can’t find out if it’s real or not- concerning Sans all tied up near the Spider bake-sale.
The Grillby one I can tell is fake because… well.. the in-game-fight art is uh.. not consistent in style with the actual game, and Megalovania backwards is no.
But I’m also not happy with this trend. I’m way too gullible for this, and I want to be able to take people at their word and actually trust people.
I fell for the halloween one and grillbeys ones as well. And Im falling for the sans one. Ill test it out on my next pacifist run.
not to mention it can rly fuck with people who have a hard time with dissociation and unreality problems. like can we please, please, please drop this fad?
In 3rd grade i was told that by taking your fist and fitting it into the pelvis region would help identify the sex of a skeleton. Then i thought of Frisk learning that, i swear it was funnier in my head.
that last post reminded me i wanted to make a psa about asgore because a lot of people treat him badly and justify it with “he killed kids”
but like… here’s the thing…
he didn’t?
while asgore was the one to come up with the 100% shit plan of taking human souls, his whole character has to do with cowardice, and how is heart is too soft to really go through with something with that, how he’s just desperate to bring his people hope even if it means hurting people he doesn’t want to hurt.
toriel was the brains behind his whole reign as king, and with her gone, he’s forced to lead in areas he never really has before. he’s forced to improvise under pressure, all while recovering from the grief of losing his own children.
but asgore never actually killed anyone. the various armor and weapons you pick up throughout the game belonged to the children that had fallen long before frisk, the souls that asgore ended up taking. but the items you find, that they’ve left behind? all long before you get to him. the very last soul’s equipment and weapon is found at the hotel MTT, which is a whole core away from him. those children were likely killed by undyne, by the royal guard, by sans. by ALL your faves who you love in favour of king fluffybuns.
asgore waits in his castle for the souls to come to him because he doesn’t have it in his heart to seek out and kill. it’s apparent enough from the way he reacts to seeing frisk up close and in the flesh. everything about his face, his words, his actions, speak of a man who has just realized he’s going to have to take an innocent life. he’s been able to dissociate himself from the situation before, reaping only the spoils when his soldiers bring the souls of what was once living to him. he cannot anymore.
so like. give asgore a break maybe.
I feel like I could see this argument, if it wasn’t for a couple of lines here and there that seriously hint (to me, anyway) at the fact that Asgore has killed at least a couple of the children himself.
Firstly, when Papyrus describes what’s going to happen to you after he captures you:
Though this is obviously Papyrus’ first time encountering a human, if he’s following orders directly from Undyne, I think it’s safe to assume he’s following a pre-established protocol. Dangerous humans might’ve been dealt with on-site once they were found, but I think what usually happens is someone in the Royal Guard is meant to simply capture the human and deliver them directly to Asgore.
This idea is also supported by some dialogue from Undyne during your fight with her:
Undyne IS willing to kill the human for Asgore, yes, but her dialogue explicitly states that other humans have fought (and have been defeated by) Asgore himself. Whether they were delivered to him or the humans managed to find their way all the way to him by themselves, Asgore at the very least met a couple of the humans and took their souls personally.
The last thing is a bit of a personal interpretation, nothing very concrete, but I think it’s fair to add anyway. You read Asgore’s reaction to meeting Frisk as,
it’s apparent enough from the way he reacts to seeing frisk up close and in the flesh. everything about his face, his words, his actions, speak of a man who has just realized he’s going to have to take an innocent life. he’s been able to dissociate himself from the situation before, reaping only the spoils when his soldiers bring the souls of what was once living to him. he cannot anymore.
I can kind of see why you might’ve gotten that impression, but personally, I kind of got the complete opposite idea! He’s very surprised, yes, but the way he talks and acts after he gets over his shock at seeing Frisk…
These don’t strike me as the words of a man who is forced to face the consequences of his own shitty decision for the very first time; the words of a man who realizes that he finally has to take the life of an innocent child, and there’s no way around that. It sounds, to me, like he just kind of… knows it’s something that has to be done. Or, he thinks it has to be done this way. I think he’s long since accepted what’s going to happen next.
And I feel like a lot of Asgore’s dialogue here is just as much him trying to comfort himself as he is trying to comfort Frisk.
Yeah Asgore… and who’s really the one in the dentist’s chair?
All of this feels scripted and stale to me. It feels practiced… Streamlined. It feels like Asgore has done this before, and he knows the least painful way to get the job done is to just get right to things - like ripping off a bandaid.
As far as your other, smaller points go:
the various armor and weapons you pick up throughout the game belonged to the children that had fallen long before frisk, the souls that asgore ended up taking. but the items you find, that they’ve left behind? all long before you get to him. the very last soul’s equipment and weapon is found at the hotel MTT, which is a whole core away from him. those children were likely killed by undyne, by the royal guard, by sans. by ALL your faves who you love in favour of king fluffybuns
I think plenty of this is up in the air to interpret, especially the exact details of how/when/where the previous human souls were captured or killed, but I’d like to make the argument that just because you find their items in a certain place doesn’t mean that’s where they died.
Frisk has been running around down here picking up and dropping whatever they so please. Who is to say the other children didn’t pick up or discard certain things on their journey, too? Perhaps on accident, or maybe on purpose… There are plenty of reasons why they might’ve lost or gotten rid of things.
And you gotta remember that there have been years between each child falling down. Who is to say the items didn’t simply get shuffled around in the garbage or by monsters. I mean, you find the ballet shoes and tutu in the same ‘area’, but in very different spots. Catty and Bratty say they found the toy gun in the garbage, which is all the way back in Waterfall. Things get moved and displaced.
Lastly, you suggest Sans might’ve captured or killed one or more of the humans, and I’d have to disagree? If only because Papyrus has never seen a human himself, so I feel like their involvement in all this is a relatively new development. It’s hard to tell exactly, because Sans isn’t transparent with details, but I think it’s fair to say he and Papyrus probably appeared in Snowdin between human appearances (with Frisk being the first since).
I certainly hope this doesn’t come off as bitter or angry or anything! This is all coming from someone who really likes Asgore! Despite everything he has done - all the choices he has made and people he has hurt - I still adore the big guy. But I think… ahh, I hope this doesn’t come off wrong, but I think it’s unfair to overlook or take away an aspect of his character that is so huge.
Asgore made bad choices. He had to take responsibility for those choices. Asgore might be something of a coward, yes, but he is first and foremost a figure of hope, and he is fiercely Determined to be a good king to his subjects and keep their dreams alive. Asgore would never, ever forego responsibility if it meant betraying or ‘using’ any of the monsters under his rule. I can absolutely see your argument, that Asgore reaped the spoils of the Royal Guard’s work for him and never really got his own hands dirty, but I don’t think Asgore would sink so low as that. Not killing someone yourself doesn’t mean you’re not doing an awful thing, nor does having someone else do the deed absolve you of any blame.
Asgore is great, but… He made a mistake. A big mistake. But he is who knows how old… and he understood the consequences of his actions. Though he didn’t like them, he accepted them. He did what he thought was right for his people, all the monsters who love him, and whom he loved just as much if not more.
To truly appreciate a character, you have to take all the good and the bad, and understand how everything helps make them a more interesting, dynamic, and lovable person. Asgore is the King Under the Mountain; Asgore is the King of all monsters; Asgore is Mr. Dad Guy, and he is Mr. Fluffybuns; Asgore is the one who condoned the murder of six human children and probably took their lives himself.
And Asgore is the one who had coffins built for them - custom made and engraved with their names - so he could respectfully put their bodies to rest when it was over.
^This. Asgore was a coward who didn’t want to do what was needed and was letting his people suffer in hopes that he didn’t need to do it. I love asgore as a character and headcanon that the reason he socializes so much with the people is because he constantly feels his sins crawling on his back. You can like a character without justifying or denying that they did bad things because chances are, the bad things they do are a big part of their character.
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